Guide · Fittings and cut length
How to figure take-outs and cut length
Cut length = center-to-center length − the take-out of each fitting − the root gap at each butt weld. For a two-elbow offset with butt welds that is travel − 2 × take-out − 2 × gap. A 10 inch offset with 2 inch 45 LR elbows and 1/8 inch gaps: 14.142 − 2 × 1.375 − 2 × 0.125 = 11.142, marked 11 1/8.
Layout dimensions are taken to the centers of fittings, because that is where the lines on a drawing meet. Pipe does not reach those centers. It stops at the end of each fitting, and at a butt weld it stops a gap short of that. The cut length is what remains once each of those has been taken away.
What to subtract, by joint type
Butt-weld fittings
Subtract the fitting's center-to-end, from the maker's chart or a take-out chart, plus one root gap per joint. The gap comes from your welding procedure; 1/16 to 1/8 inch is common for pipe, and FitUp uses 1/8 by default for welded trades.
Threaded fittings
The pipe screws into the fitting, so part of it is inside. Subtract the center-to-end less the thread engagement, the length of pipe that goes into the fitting. Engagement changes with pipe size and with how far the joint is made up, so take it from the fitting maker or measure a made-up joint. There is no weld gap.
Socket-weld fittings
The pipe slides into a socket and is pulled back off the bottom before welding to leave an expansion gap, about 1/16 inch under most procedures. Subtract the center-to-socket-bottom dimension plus that pull-back gap. There is no root gap to add on top.
Steps
Get the center-to-center length
For an offset, that is the travel from the offset formula. For a straight piece, it is the dimension on the drawing.
List the fittings at each end
Size and type for each end separately. They are not always the same.
Subtract each fitting's allowance
Center-to-end for butt-weld, center-to-end less engagement for threaded, center-to-socket-bottom plus the pull-back for socket-weld.
Subtract a root gap for each butt weld
Two butt-welded ends, two gaps.
Round the result once
Keep decimals until the end, then mark to the nearest 1/16.
Worked examples
A 45 degree offset, butt-welded
Travel = 10 × 1.41421 = 14.1421
Take-outs = 2 × 1.375 (2 in 45 LR) = 2.75
Gaps = 2 × 0.125 = 0.25
Cut = 14.1421 − 2.75 − 0.25 = 11.1421, marked 11 1/8
A straight piece between two 90s
36 inches center to center between two 3 inch 90 LR butt-weld elbows (4 1/2 inch center-to-end each), 1/8 inch gaps:
Cut = 36 − 2 × 4.5 − 2 × 0.125 = 26.75, marked 26 3/4
Nine and a quarter inches of that 36 is fittings and gaps. On short spools the allowances can be most of the dimension.
Why offsets come up long
When a piece is long at fit-up, it is almost always one of these:
- One take-out instead of two. There is a fitting at each end of the piece.
- The gaps forgotten. Two butt welds at 1/8 inch is 1/4 inch, and a spool with six joints loses 3/4 inch to gaps alone.
- The chart, not the fitting. Center-to-end varies between makers. Measure a fitting from the cart when the job is tight.
- A factory 45's take-out used for a cut 90. A 90 cut down to 45 takes out R × tan 22.5°, which is not always the factory 45 value. See cutting down a 90.
- Rounding every step. Rounding the travel and each take-out to sixteenths before subtracting can put the cut a sixteenth off. Round once.
- Cutting the travel. The travel is the center-to-center number, the start of the arithmetic, not the end of it.
Related questions
- What is the take-out of a 2 inch 90 long radius elbow?
- How do you find the take-out of a 90 cut down to 22.5 degrees?
- How do you use the 1.414 rule for a 45 degree offset?
- What is the cut length of a 60 degree offset?
- How do you get the travel for a rolling offset?
Let the app keep track
FitUp lists the take-out and gap under every cut length, as "2 × 1 3/8" and "2 × 1/8", so you can see what came off before you mark the pipe. Its take-out chart can be corrected to your fittings with Pro, and every offset after that uses your values.
Verify measurements and fitting dimensions before cutting.